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What sets great teams apart | Lane Shackleton (CPO of Coda)
Lane Shackleton is CPO of Coda, where he’s been leading the product and design team for over eight years. Lane started his career as an Alaskan climbing guide and then as a manual reviewer of AdWords ads before becoming a product specialist at Google and later a Group PM at YouTube. He also writes a weekly newsletter with insights and rituals for PMs, product teams, and startups. In today’s conversation, we discuss: • Principles that set great PMs apart • Rituals of great product teams • The fine line between OKRs and strategy, and why it matters • “Two-way write-up” • The story of how skippable YouTube ads were born and lessons learned • How to gauge personal career growth • “Tim Ferriss Day” and its impact on Coda’s history • How Lane bootstrapped his way to CPO from the bottom of the tech ladder — Brought to you by Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments: https://www.geteppo.com/ | Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny | Ezra—The leading full-body cancer screening company: https://www.ezra.com/lenny Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/what-sets-great-teams-apart-lane-shackleton-cpo-of-coda/ Where to find Lane Shackleton: • X: https://twitter.com/lshackleton • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laneshackleton • Substack: https://lane.substack.com/ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Lane’s background (04:03) Working as a guide in Alaska (07:32) Parallels between guiding and building software (09:12) Why Lane started studying and writing about product teams (12:49) How Lane came up with the career ladder and guiding principles (14:10) The five levels Coda’s career ladder (16:30) Principles of great product managers (21:06) The beginner’s-mind ritual at Coda (24:05) Two rituals: “cathedrals not bricks” and “proactive not reactive” (27:46) How to develop your own guiding principles (31:17) Learning from your “oh shit” moments (36:03) Rituals from great product teams: HubSpot’s FlashTags (42:15) Rituals from great product teams: Coda’s Catalyst (47:01) Implementing rituals from other companies (49:48) How to navigate changing vs. sticking with current rituals (53:02) “Tag up” and why one-on-one meetings are harmful  (55:27) Lane’s handbook on strategy and rituals (57:10) How skippable ads came about on YouTube    (1:01:46) Lane’s path to CPO (1:07:02) Advice for aspiring PMs (1:10:53) Tim Ferriss Day at Coda (1:13:24) Using two-way write-ups  (1:19:30) The fine line between OKRs and strategy, and why it matters (1:21:41) Lightning round Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
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Coda is much more than just a Notion alternative!
In this interview with Lane Shackelton (Head of Product & Design, Coda) we discover that Coda has more to offer than you might think! If you love to automate your workflows, then Coda is a must checkout tool. :) 👉 Get Coda here for FREE: http://paperlessmovement.com/Coda 00:00 Intro 01:30 Is Coda just another Database? 06:05 Why we need to change our digital mindset! 11:10 Is Coda a Single Source of Truth? 16:29 How Coda changes the way we'll have meetings with "Reactions" 21:40 Why it is not fair to compare Notion with Coda 26:25 Why Coda works great with the ICOR Framework 28:00 How Coda integrates with other tools and with itself 31:10 How complicated is Coda for the "average" productivity enthusiast 37:25 Will there be Mac and Windows Apps for Coda become available? 39:58 How to work with Databases and Backlinks in Coda vs Notion 48:12 Final thoughts about Coda 🚀 FREE COURSE | "Go from Overwhelmed to Productive and Happy!": https://paperlessmovement.com/freecourse" CUSTOMIZED DIGITAL PLANNER: 📝 Create your own digital planner, landscape/portrait, start date, style, and more - https://paperlessmovement.com/djd MY FAVOURITE GEAR: ⚙️ My Productivity Gear - https://kit.co/TomSolid/productivity-gear 📝 My must-have iPad Screen Protector - Paperlike - https://paperlessmovement.com/PaperLike 🎥 My YouTube Creator Gear - https://kit.co/TomSolid/my-youtube-gear MY FAVOURITE PRODUCTIVITY TOOLS: 🚀 My project manager - ClickUp - https://paperlessmovement.com/clickup-aff?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=clickup-affiliate 🔥 My personal task manager - Todoist - https://paperlessmovement.com/todoist-aff?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=todoist-affiliate 📄 My document manager - Evernote - 🧠 My Mind-Mapping tool - Miro - https://paperlessmovement.com/miro?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=miro-affiliate MY FAVOURITE EFFICIENCY TOOLS: ⏺ My must-have screen recorder - Snagit - https://paperlessmovement.com/Snagit ⏱ My automatic Time Tracker - RescueTime - https://paperlessmovement.com/RescueTime 🔐 My Password Manager Lastpass - https://paperlessmovement.com/LastPass ⚙️ My Todoist Automation - Pleexy - https://paperlessmovement.com/pleexy ⚙️ My Evernote automation - Filterize - https://paperlessmovement.com/Filterize 🎙 My Podcast - http://paperlessmovement.com/Podcast You can listen to all the interviews I have on this YouTube channel also as a Podcast version. FOLLOW ME: 🐦Twitter: https://twitter.com/paperlessmove 🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomsolid/ 📸Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/paperlessmove 👥Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/paperlessmove DISCLAIMER: Links included in this description might be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service with the links that I provide I may receive a small commission. There is no additional charge to you! I'm not a legal or financial professional. I'm not in a position to give you legal or financial advice. Always consult a legal or financial professional before making any decisions. 🔎 HASHTAGS #Productivity #PaperlessMovement #TomSolid
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Blurring the Line Between User and Programmer: Lane Shackleton - Future of Coding
"The world's been divided into people who can make software, and the people who use software all day, and basically we think that that paradigm is not a good one. It feels kind of broken," says Lane Shackleton, Head of Product at Coda, where they are building a new kind of document that blurs the line between users and programmers.  A Coda document starts out looking like a familiar online document, a lot like Google Docs. There's a blinking cursor, you can bold and italicize text, add images, and collaboratively edit it alongside others. But a Coda table is much more powerful than a traditional table that you'd find in a typical word processor. Like a spreadsheet, the a Coda table allows you to create complex relationship between pieces of data via a formula language. Upon closer examination, the Coda table is more structured than spreadsheets and more closely resembles a friendly relational database, like Airtable. If you're familiar with Notion, another augmented document medium, this all may sound familiar. Coda differentiates itself in a few ways. For one, it allows users to build complex (but no-code) trigger-based workflows from within the tool, such as when a table is modified or a button is pressed. For another, Coda really sells itself as an app-builder, in that teams can use Coda documents on their phones as native mobile apps. For example, a bike shop can have its employees easily swipe and snap a photo of inventory directly into a Coda table simply by creating a photo column in that table. Coda takes care of converting that column into an interface that automatically pulls up the camera on mobile. Coda was inspired by the founders' experience at YouTube, where the company "ran on spreadsheets," but now they dream of building a medium that fundamentally changes how people see themselves, as creators instead of merely as consumers, and reshapes the way teams, communities, and even families collaborate and function. It's a big vision, and Coda has a long way to go. This episode was sponsored by Replit. The transcript can be found here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/041#transcript
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